Pony's Rule

posted February 25th, 2012, 8:00 am


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February 24th, 2012, 5:23 pm

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It's even more nasty, now that I don't anything to wipe it off wi- Hey, wait a minute. She might actually become useful, now! But, then again, she caused this... and he caused this... and I caused this... and my nemesis caused this...

I got a new picture up! It's a bit weirder than my last few, but it's still within the same category. Within minutes, it got three favs, all from complete strangers (and they're all MLP fans, too)!
http://lugbzurg.deviantart.com/#/d4qu41n

Kind of a short graphical credit, this time, due to no borrowed pony graphics. The speed lines in Panel 5 were custom-made by ShadeFalcon, who's from... somewhere.

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February 25th, 2012, 9:45 am

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♪Cupcakes!♪

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February 25th, 2012, 10:47 am

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@Lugbzurg: So, are you as pissed off as everyone else that Derpy's famous scene has been censored?

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February 25th, 2012, 12:16 pm

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@Jarkes: I didn't actually hear anything about it until you brought it up. So, I decided to do a bit of research.

I have seen the original clip beforehand and the more recent edit. Here's what I have gathered...

The voice is different, which probably works out better, since Derpy's earlier voice actress (Tabitha St. Germain; voice of Rarity and Luna) thought the mare was a boy when she voiced her. Although, as some people pointed out, the new voice does seem to carry a smug tone, unlike the innocent tone of the earlier version. Suggesting she's destroying Town Hall on purpose, rather than just messing it up through sheer bad luck. But how does this all tie in? Just keep reading.

A saw a lot of people complaining that they seemed to un-derp her eyes, but I can see the derp just fine. It's just in one head-on shot that they're dramatically more regular, which is something she's been able to pull off already from time to time.

Rainbow Dash got a new line, too. Or rather, her old line was re-recorded without the mention of "Derpy". Why? Well, here's where it gets frivolously-complicated...

Some people have mentioned the legality of calling her "Derpy", since no one at Hasbro or Studio B or DHX or wherever came up with the name. It's a fan-given name. In which case, I don't see the need to remove it as the name should technically be within the public domain just as much as "Tom", "Dick" or "Harry". But there's another end to the legality, as well, which gets absolutely stupid.

CENSORSHIP

Absolutely pointless censorship! The eyes do seem to be slightly less derped, but mostly where you can see them clearly. Also, with the drop of the name "Derpy", this seems to have been done by whiners insisting that this clip is offensive and biased against people with "wall eyes".

This whining minority thinks that this sets a stereotype that all people who are "derpy" must be clumsy twits. This is not the case. No one's making fun of her. We adored her for all of this. Plus, as many others pointed out, this has an opposite effect.

By censoring Derpy, you are basically saying "Derpy people should not exist. You should ignore them and maybe they'll go away." Censoring is far more offensive. I even read that people had siblings and friends who were within the group of people that were the ones supposedly being "offended" actually loved it when Derpy first spoke, but then actually cried when she got censored.

As another commenter said, it's like forcing a child to move away just because his name is "Adolph" and it reminds you of Hitler. That is horribly unfair. Removing such people is what's offensive. Not showing them off in such a positive, cheerful light.

However, as far as we've been able to tell at this point, this may or may not have only occurred on iTunes. It turns out that Apple is very stingy with these sorts of "issues", and, for all we know, only the iTunes version of The Last Roundup might have been censored. There's still a DVD with the unedited version and plenty of YouTube videos.

Frankly, I'm not sure exactly which is a more idiotic "controversy". This or the whole Portal 2 thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUQYrdgIJuI

I love how they take Wheatley's line so completely out of context. He doesn't even say anything about adopted children. Chell is an adult, not a child. Frankly, this "should" be considered more offensive to obese people or orphans. I also love how they thought the game was made by Sony. Plus, you gotta admire how these people pick and choose their parts of the game and completely ignore how GLaDOS responds saying "And what is wrong with having no parents? And just look at her. She's not fat." Also, sorry for any spoilers here, but...

Wheatly is the villain here! You're not supposed to take everything he says to heart!

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February 26th, 2012, 9:46 pm

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Derpy means the same thing as Wonky and It was around long before the MLPFIM character even existed. As for the origin, it came out some time in 2005 but since I frequently get booted out of forums I have no idea which one spawned it. Not that it matters since no one really cares anyway.No one believed me when I told them the word "spiffy" existed as a word before "my life as a teenage robot" came out either.

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February 27th, 2012, 6:03 am

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@GabrielsThoughts: I never really watched My Life as a Teengage Robot. I didn't even know they ever said "Spiffy".

And of course "Derpy" was around before the pony. The reason why they called her "Derpy" was because of her eyes. To "derp" is to have your eyes going off in independent, weird directions, basically.

But, yeah. Why should Hasbro/Apple comply with the whining minority who want to shut out any use of disabled characters? The majority is the one who adores her. She wasn't even shown in an insulting way.

And this is yet another one of those cases where being start flailing about going all "DAT'S INSULTING TO <insert group here>", while the supposedly "insulted" group says "Erm... No, it's not."

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February 27th, 2012, 4:20 pm

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This reminds me of an SR-71 song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3Lr0adcYU

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February 28th, 2012, 4:30 am

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i've had enough of all these silly derpy drama
like seriously i can't go to one pony site without seeing it all over the goddamn place

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February 28th, 2012, 3:47 pm

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@Lugbzurg: What I find funny about this is that they already had a character much stupider then Derpy and he didn't get any attention.

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February 28th, 2012, 4:27 pm

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@Sabbo: Who was this, the unicorn that knew Rarity in Sweet and Elite?

He didn't get much notice because he wasn't at all "RACIST AGAINST PEOPLE WITH TEH WALL-EYEZ!!!!!11!!1!!one1!eleven!!!"

Or, whoever it might be you're referring to.

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February 28th, 2012, 4:57 pm

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@Lugbzurg: When I saw him, I thought of that guy from Left 4 Dead 2.

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February 28th, 2012, 6:02 pm

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@Lugbzurg: No, remember one of the Trixie fanboys? I think his name is Snail, watch the episode and you'll see what I mean.

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February 29th, 2012, 6:52 am

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i can draw better than your younger bro

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February 29th, 2012, 3:59 pm

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@senalcoolage: You do realize Pinkie's supposed to look that weird, because she had to much sugar.

Oh, and Lugbzurg was made in the Pony Creator. It wasn't drawn.

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February 29th, 2012, 4:28 pm

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Huh... I didn't mean to derail the comments on the comic so much by mentioning the whole Derpy thing.

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February 29th, 2012, 6:59 pm

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@Lugbzurg: You know, after reading your comment about Derpy and Wheatley, I was reminded of yet another stupid argument like that.

Have you heard of "Lego Friends"? If you haven't, it is Lego's newest line of toys for girls. Seems completely harmless, right?

Well, because of the things the characters do (cook, have makeovers, etc.) and because its "simpler and not as challenging as the normal Lego sets for boys," some people accuse Lego Friends as being sexist.

Why do these people think that a cross-eyed, grey pony is offensive to wall-eyed people, a blue, villainous orb that makes one statement about being adopted is offensive to adopted children, and a Lego franchise that is like Barbie or Bratz in the form of Legos is sexist? They're being a bit overprotective...

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March 1st, 2012, 7:36 am

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more like overreactive :I

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March 1st, 2012, 4:19 pm

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@greenpowerstar: You mean Ellis? The slightly-crazy guy who tells weird stories and wears a hat?

@Sabbo: Ahh, Snails. Yes, he's probably legitimately retarded and he brought an ursa to town. ON PURPOSE. Isn't that a lot more offensive than a wall-eyed character who's accidentally causing some damage to an already-falling-apart building?

@senalcoolage: Drawing level doesn't tell you if a comic is good or not. Watchmen wouldn't really be any worse if it was set to stick figures, now, would it? Besides, I drew what I drew the way I drew it, because, I wanted it that way.

@lern2surture: Ahh, yes. Just don't forget the horn and tail and you're good to go.

@greenpowerstar: Well, pretty much. I could have searched for some other graphic or even drawn her normally, myself. But, I wanted that even more cartoony style, to emphasize the action. I decided quite a while ago that I wanted to add toony manga visuals to the comic.

@Jarkes: Actually, I never would have known about it if you hadn't pointed it out. And it's an important discussion. Censorship is getting way out of hand.

@greenpowerstar: Wonder why no one ever complained about Clickit? From what you've told me, it's not nearly as "girl stereotype" as Clickit was. And as for Wheatley, he didn't even say anything about adopted children. He just called Chell (an adult) "Fatty, Fatty No-Parents", which was immediately counteracted by GLaDOS. That's right. He said NOTHING WHATSOEVER about adopted children.

@lern2surture: I wonder if [Prototype 2] is going to get all caught up in this, now that I think about it. People might start whining that is suggests all black people are... well... See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfQghBAd1_4

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March 1st, 2012, 8:19 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Eeyup. That's the guy I was thinking of. I just didn't know his name.

Also, GLaDOS said something similar in the first Portal, but no one cared too much.

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March 1st, 2012, 8:41 pm

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@greenpowerstar: GLaDOS makes humor like that all the time in both games, and Wheatley several times in the second. Yet, that father, who doesn't seem to know how to be a parent only hates that one bit that he thinks targets someone it doesn't.

Why aren't people filing lawsuits at Sega for having a fat guy as a Sonic villain? Why didn't anyone get all up in a tizzy about a Batman villain being someone with a are illness that kept her from physically aging (making her look like a childs' doll), not to mention that other villain, "Babyface", and what's-her-name with the totally guy-like head, complete with 5-O'-Clock Shadow, who is also a villain?

Why didn't anyone do anything about FiM daring to have retarded characters who purposefully brought a monster to their village or an African-type character who secludes herself away from everypony else and can't even speak properly?

So many people are so messed up. Have you seen Amy Keating Rodgers reasoning behind the whole ordeal? That's messed up, too.
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/02/amy-keating-rogers-response-to-derpy.html

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March 1st, 2012, 9:00 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Yeah, it's really silly.

You know, when I told someone I knew about these things, she gave me this reply:

"People have to argue over something."

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March 1st, 2012, 9:10 pm

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@greenpowerstar: *sigh* Could they at least argue over something that makes sense?

This is the burden of the result of me going through TWO books about logic and fallacies long and heard when I was a kid. Now, I see stupidity around me much more easily.

These books were some good reads...
http://www.christianlogic.com/

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March 1st, 2012, 9:12 pm

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Obviously...

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@greenpowerstar:
After all, if there was nothing to argue over no one would notice the things that have changed, have the potential for change, or have remained the same. Still, there are things that shall always remain the same, but since people have changed they become better than they first appeared.

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March 1st, 2012, 9:25 pm

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@GabrielsThoughts: Yeah. Nothing changing... It makes me think about how people claimed that the game Resident Evil 5 was racist for having black zombies in it.

It takes place in Africa! Therefore, African zombies are bound to appear! I didn't see anyone whining about any of the Spanish zombies and whatnot in earlier installments! Resident Evil has been going all over the world!

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March 1st, 2012, 10:37 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Well, I've seen worse arguments. This one person on YouTube was complaining about logo changes. The video was called "The Unimportance of Change."

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March 2nd, 2012, 5:59 am

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@greenpowerstar: How about "videogames should be taxed for violence"?

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March 2nd, 2012, 4:20 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Here is what I have to say about that.

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March 2nd, 2012, 9:20 pm

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@greenpowerstar: You have just proven yourself to have a greater understanding of knowledge and logic than they have.

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March 2nd, 2012, 10:00 pm

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@Lugbzurg: "But, of course!"

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March 3rd, 2012, 9:11 am

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@Lugbzurg: Actually, Amy Keating Rogers's reasoning makes perfect sense. She had no control over whatever was to be done, and she was at least well aware that no matter what happened, someone was going to be pissed.

And really, Derpy's speaking role in The Last Roundup was going to be a one-time thing anyway. So this really isn't something to freak out about. Not to mention, there are still a FEW shots were the derpy eyes are still present.

Also, you're the only person I know of who HASN'T accepted Rogers's explanation.

P.S.: For some reason, whenever I try to put a link in a comment, the comment won't appear.

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March 3rd, 2012, 9:15 am

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And for what it's worth, we don't even know who was responsible for the change. For all we know, it was mandated by Apple, and the episode is unedited on the Friendship Express DVD, and possibly on the Hub as well. Not to mention, several of the producers have explicitly said that Derpy will still be Derpy in background shots. But as I said, Rogers was NOT responsible, so she shouldn't be blamed just because she wrote the episode.

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March 3rd, 2012, 9:47 am

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Not only that, but it wasn't so much the wall-eyes, it was the fact that (apparently) the word "derp" is sometimes used to mean retarded. I don't get it either, but Rogers actually has a mentally disabled son, so she actually understood why some people might be offended by it.

Also, in regards to the Portal 2 thing, accusing someone of "not knowing a thing about parenting" because he overreacted to something is just as illogical as his overreaction.

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March 3rd, 2012, 12:23 pm

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So to sum it up (and I apologize for splitting this into multiple comments): Was the change stupid and pointless? Hell yes. Is it really going to make a difference in the long run? Hell no. Should the writer of the episode, who had no control over whatever was done to the voice or animation, and also understands why a few people might be offended, be blamed for this? Hell no.

Huh... that was a lot more than "summing it up." Whoops.

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March 3rd, 2012, 10:54 pm

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@Jarkes: You're hardly looking. If you find the word "Derpy" meaning "retarded", you'd have to be searching very, very hard in all the wrong places. It doesn't mean that at all.

Also, you're not looking very hard. Virtually everyone on Equestria Daily and DerpyHooves.com also doesn't accept it.

Derpy was not being shown in a negative light at all, people claim "bias" and "offensive". The people who would supposedly be "offended" said "We're not offended. We love this!"

Yet, somehow, the whiny minority won out, censoring a completely innocent character.

Basically, this is saying that if you find someone who's got something wrong with them or is even just weird, you should wipe them out from existence, because, clearly, they have no right to exist.

That's exactly what the censoring says.

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March 4th, 2012, 11:52 am

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@Lugbzurg: Yes, but this is ONLY ON THE ITUNES VERSION. Studio B has explicitly said that the scene will be unedited everywhere else (on the Friendship Express DVD, on the Hub, and probably future DVD releases as well). And for the record, I DO find it stupid that the minority won out, but again, it's only on the Itunes version. Which most fans usually don't download anyway. So, as I've said, the censorship (which isn't even complete censorship, since, again, there are a few shots where the wall-eyes are still present) was stupid and pointless, but the show isn't Ruined Forever, and we can easily just ignore the Itunes version and watch the original version of the episode through other means (by which I mean, EVERY OTHER PLACE WHERE THE EPISODE IS AVAILABLE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE). If you don't like the censored Itunes version, just DON'T DOWNLOAD IT. And besides, the rest of the episode is unchanged, and is still pretty awesome, right?

Also, I HAVE been looking pretty hard. Equestria Daily and DerpyHooves.com aren't the only places where the fandom congregates, you know. If anything, YOU'RE not looking hard enough. I have seen plenty of people telling everyone to just calm down and stop acting like "Derpy is dead, the show is ruined FOREVER!" I'd post several links to these sorts of things, but I get the feeling you'd just ignore it so you can continue whining.

And don't get me wrong: I hate the change just as much as you do. But am I gonna act like the show's been ruined? Hell no. They're not going to edit any of Derpy's other, background appearances, and besides, Derpy's speaking role in the Last Roundup was just a one-time thing anyway.

...Have I been repeating myself several times?

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March 4th, 2012, 5:07 pm

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@Jarkes: And here's where you just completely missed the entire point and brought up a totally different subject, altogether.

Did I say "The whole show has been ruined"? No. Did I say "Derpy Hooves has been destroyed forever"? No. Did I say "The episode is now completely unwatchable"? No.

Did you completely miss the part where I said "It isn't even about Derpy Hooves, anymore"? Yes, you did.

It's about censorship in general and how idiots out there will try to "fix" something that was never broken and, of all the irony, comes out creating the opposite effect. Therefore, insulting the very people they think they're trying not to offend.

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March 4th, 2012, 6:01 pm

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@Lugbzurg: ...Fair enough. But there HAVE been a lot of people who HAVE acted like that. I apologize for mistaking your argument as acting like some of those people.

...I do recognize the irony of fixing something that was never broken, and creating the opposite effect of what was intended.

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March 4th, 2012, 8:55 pm

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@Jarkes: I have noticed that there have been a lot of people who were getting all angry and wanted to do something about it...

...but for all the wrong reasons.

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March 4th, 2012, 9:37 pm

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Say, wasn't there an episode of the show that said you shouldn't judge someone because of their appearance?

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March 4th, 2012, 9:53 pm

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@greenpowerstar: I don't recall that. There were relatively-similar messages in Over a Barrel and Feeling Pinkie-Keen.

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March 4th, 2012, 10:12 pm

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@Lugbzurg: What about "Bridle Gossip"?

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March 6th, 2012, 5:28 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I also caused this

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