Bringing up Walls

posted May 5th, 2012, 8:00 am


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May 4th, 2012, 4:21 pm

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I just hope you're right, Pinkie Pie. It's already too weird here, for me.

Yes, I so totally went there! Let's get controversial, shall we? I'll lay this out for you. Pinkie Pie does NOT break the fourth wall. EVER. I find it very aggravating that so many people are so obsessed with taking a show that was built on breaking stereotypes, and then making up their own stupid, overdone, badly-set-up cliches. Upon further investigation, I realized that several of the people who claim that she is a fourth-wall-breaker don't know what "Breaking the Fourth Wall" even IS. It is not defying physics or pretending to pull out imaginary objects, like so many people seem to insist. Want further proof? Look to the developers.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZbxWM4b8BmM/TXAnJIJHzYI/AAAAAAAAB88/zsZmSdwXSwE/s1600 /1299194804864.png
Just thought I should let you know by now, I am not stooping to that inane stereotype.

On a lighter note, here's a picture of a ghost. One of the many littler ghosts that Jellybob will be fighting on his journey.
http://lugbzurg.deviantart.com/art/Jellybob-Enemies-Sheet-Ghost-300025710

Pinkie Pie's regular stance was custom-built by MixerMike622, her sad face from Vlazesvectors, her sad stance also custom-made by MixerMike622, and both graphics of her unable to break the fourth wall came from Felix Kot. Derpy Hooves' little cheer was from BLMN564, the new Lugbzurg render was designed by myself, using a Rainbow Dash graphic from Raccoon224 as a base, and the purple background was created by ZuTheSkunk. And, I might as well remind you that the "Flower Shop" background was made by RainbowRagel12, as well as all of these people coming from DeviantART.

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May 5th, 2012, 8:54 am

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Pinkie Pie's been trying for ages to see past the wall, at least since the end of "Bridle Gossip", and Lug sees past it within one day.

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May 5th, 2012, 11:15 am

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Well, maybe she's not a fourth-wall breaker, but she's DEFINITELY a reality warper. I would, however, like to point out the parts where she interrupted the "iris out" effect at the end of The Elements of Harmony and Over a Barrel. Not quite breaking the fourth wall, but possibly leaning on it.

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May 5th, 2012, 2:18 pm

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@Lugbzurg:

I didn't see any stereotypes really being broken within the show. At first glance this is what it looks like.

Narcissis=Rainbow Dash

Paranoia=Pinky Pie

Phobia=Flutter Shy

Innocent Persecuted Heroine= Twilight

Financial Victim= Apple Jack (Although I must give the creators props for making her intelligent and southern.)

Neurotic= Rarity

Woobie= Derpy Hooves

Megalomania= Celestia/ Nightmare Moon

That discovery is just from first impressions watching a handful of episodes and related materials. Sorry, I just don't see them breaking stereotypes for a kids show. Studio's make money from the use of stereotyping markets. Unfortunately, they covered everything except independent thinkers.

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May 5th, 2012, 3:21 pm

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@GabrielsThoughts:
Never in any episode have I seen Rainbow Dash loving how she looks.

I have not seen Applejack in any serious money problems.

Can't complain with the Fluttershy one, though. But it's what makes her so adorable so I don't care

@Lug
Fourth-wall breaker actually fits well into Pinkie Pie's personality. And besides, she does it in numerous episodes, so I have no idea what your beef with the fans is.







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oh.

I've just started another debate on this comic, haven't I?

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May 5th, 2012, 3:42 pm

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To me, it seems, whenever any of the ponies look straight at me, they get 20% cuter.

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May 5th, 2012, 4:44 pm

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i like to think that pinkie do can break the fourth wall
makes it all easier to make her best poni and worship her or something

plus it makes an interesting plot device as evident in fallout: equestria

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May 5th, 2012, 8:06 pm

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@lern2surture: And in the Pony POV Series.

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May 5th, 2012, 11:38 pm

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@Jarkes:
POV?

Do you not mean MOV?

Or is this something in the Brony community I have never heard of and will be pointed and laughed at for my incompetence?

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May 5th, 2012, 11:49 pm

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@AuraX: http://talesofserendipity.smackjeeves.com/comics/1450840/gateways-edge/

@Jarkes: Well, yes. Even Discord, who was the greatest reality-warper the show has ever known was never breaking the fourth wall. As for the "Iris Out" effects, I would think that the effects were bending themselves, rather than her bending them, for comic effect. Kind of like how, in Half-Life, you hear certain sound effects as you scroll through your weapons and select one. The player hears these sounds, but, Gordon Freeman does not.

@GabrielsThoughts: Things like Rarity, being a hugely-generous, totally non-shallow fashion-designer, Applajack not being a simpleton country-type, Pinkie Pie NOT being a pest, Fluttershy being able to beat the crap out of bears, Rainbow Dash being very un-girly, Twilight Sparkle not being left out in common or social knowledge, Princess Celestia not being a power-abuser, etc.

@AuraX: One character breaking the fourth wall really does not fit something when no one else can do it. It has worked in things like Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day and even Metal Gear Solid, because, it wasn't limited to just one character. Only one makes it come off as flat-out stupid. Especially, when you couple it together with just how piss-poor people keep trying to incorporate the idea into a bunch of repetitive, unoriginal comics and drawings.

@greenpowerstar: Exactly! Staring in the direction of the "camera" does not mean the character in question in breaking the fourth wall. They can look anywhere. Some shots are set in first person view of a character. The other characters in the show will face the direction of the audience just as much as Pinkie Pie, and not actually see anything outside their world.

@lern2surture: Isn't sneezing confetti good enough for you?

@Jarkes: Pony prisoners of war?

Gee, it seems everypony here took this a lot better than I had expected, while I was away at a huge amusement park with Talking Dougnut. Good for all of you!

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May 6th, 2012, 1:31 am

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With regards to Celestia
http://jarredspekter.deviantart.com/art/Is-Princess-Celestia-Evil-243435308

With regards to Twilight, How does being a part of a social network or having access to common knowledge negate the stereotype of being an innocent persecuted heroine?

Twilight is essentially a supplanted bride at her best, and a Mary sue at her worst. Just because the character isn't a victim of her own fetish doesn't make her less of an innocent persecuted heroine.

Rainbow Dash __is__ girly and a narcissist. Since being girly has nothing to do with Narcissism, but you think the two are linked, I shall explain my reasoning. Since narcissism is marked by egoism,elitism,pride,and vanity, it has absolutely nothing to do with being an athlete. And, I might add, everything to do with an attitude of "Might makes right," or "whoever has the most power makes the rules." She's arrogant to the point where it's almost painful, this is not to say that she lacks merit, experience, or interpersonal skills. However, If she was a manipulative social engineer she'd make a cutthroat villain.

With regards to Fluttershy, being able to kick the crap out of bears hasn't exactly made her less fearful of others or the unknown. Gideon from the bible was believed to be very fearful as well. It takes nothing away from her character, but in my humble opinion the characters are stereotyped.

With regards to Pinky Pie, I don't think being paranoid has any link to whether or not someone is annoying... in fact, I think twilight (and the others) would disagree about her pest status depending on what mood they were in at the time.

Also,while having ADHD and being seemingly clairvoyant can be linked in reality, it has absolutely nothting to do with whether or not someone is considered a pestilence.

As a dyed in the wool capitalist, I can assure you, Applejack is a financial victim. If her family business is the equestrian equivalent of Smuckers or Chiquita, why is she doing all the grunt work? Aren't there child labor laws in Equestria? Why does her family follow the Ferengi rules of acquisition? How has no one else questioned this?

Furthermore, being southern and competent hardly breaks a stereotype of working harder not smarter. Granted, people generally respect a person that works the land with the sweat of their brow. However, there is technology and "psuedo-scientific magical Bull$#17" that appears to have availability in Equestria. Why isn't it being used?

With regards to Rarity. She's obsessive compulsive, the very definition of neurotic. As such, she has to manage, and have as much control over, her environment as possible. That includes her friends. what you see as generosity could just as easily be a way of establishing reciprocity and creating indebted servitude.

All people are entitled to believe what they want to believe, I'm not any different. I think the characters were conceived as a Hollywood heist squad, only instead of robbing banks they've been militarized and evangelized into social propagandists.

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May 6th, 2012, 6:12 am

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@Lugbzurg: What? I didn't say that! I just said it's adorable when those shots appear. I'm not getting in this argument.

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May 6th, 2012, 9:06 am

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The Pony POV Series is a series of fanfics dealing with the aftermath of Discord's attack on Equestria. It makes it clear that Discord has left severe psychological damage on the ponies, though they do manage to conquer it later. Admittedly, I haven't actually read any of it, but I know a lot about it from TvTropes. I've been meaning to actually read it for a while now, but I haven't had the time.

With regards to the "iris out" parts, those jokes are closer to medium awareness than breaking the fourth wall, which are not the same thing. A character can have medium awareness without actually breaking the fourth wall.

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May 6th, 2012, 9:45 am

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@GabrielsThoughts: That thing is so blatantly incorrect in so many aspects. That person seems to think something's wrong with Celestia trying to make amends with her sister, rather than just banishing her again, or that there was something wrong with her trying to find new people to fill in for the elements of harmony, or that Celestia would DARE to nudge the other ponies to do things they were VERY good at or to improve on things they still needed work on.

Not to mention this person somehow believes that the Mane 6 had already been to the Gala and met everyone there BEFORE the episode we saw them in. They clearly said that they'd never been there, before, so... Wow.

So many things in there were flat-out made up, and can easily be disproven by just watching a single episode. Good grief...

Also, what you said about Twilight has nothing to do with what I was saying about her. Many people use the stereotype that people who constantly keep their noses in books and contain so much knowledge will always be extremely anti-social, rude, and completely lacking in common knowledge, sense, decency, and socialism.

I have never said anything about "girly" and "narcissistic" being linked. Where did this conclusion come from?

There are people who are fearful, and there are those who aren't. Fluttershy isn't cut and dry.

Pinkie Pie is not paranoid. I mean... really. She charged down a diamond dog hole like it was a water slide, while the other characters where in fear, she headed right to a dragon in his lair, wearing a smile and a goofy costume, and she sang a whole song about it.

Why is Applejack doing "grunt work"? It's the bulk of the work. She also does much of it with Big Macintosh. The only other two there are too young or too old. Besides, she's definitely no child. Just look at her. She's reached full maturity. All the rest of the Mane 6 own their own house, except Pinkie Pie.

If Rarity was awaiting servitude, she would have gotten it over a year before the point the show has reached. It's spanned well over a year, so far. And, some people are just generous, which is why she unlocked the Element of Generosity. Note that it didn't function when Discord grayed her out, along with everyone else.

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May 6th, 2012, 12:03 pm

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Pinkie Pie never breaks the 4th wall...she just uses her gypsy magic.

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May 6th, 2012, 12:45 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Oh, yes you are...!

@Jarkes: I keep hearing about this My Little Dashie, as something that people have to read.

@Sabbo Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRKkhtSMZGo

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May 6th, 2012, 1:00 pm

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@Lugbzurg: But she doooeeesss.

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May 6th, 2012, 2:04 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
Actually, they can break the fourth wall when no-one else can.

The reason being a little thing called "Humor".

And if you don't find it funny, then fine, whatever. But don't belittle other people who pick up on this fourth wall-breaking and find it funny.

Also, why did you link me to that page? I mean, I like it because it includes Jon Pertwee Pony (The best Doctor Whooves without question), but I don't see a reason to link me to it.

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May 6th, 2012, 3:00 pm

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@AuraX: Wrong. In Banjo-Kazooie everyone is able to break the 4th Wall. Banjo, Kazooie, Mumbo-Jumbo, Bottles, Gruntilda, and even the things you collect all make some kind of "we're in a game" crack or mention the player in some way. It goes even further in Banjo-Tooie. In Conker's Bad Fur Day, Conker talks to the player constantly. There are also other characters that will make such references, such as Birdy the Scarecrow. In Metal Gear Solid, both Physcho Mantis and The Colonel break the 4th Wall. I haven't played the game, yet, so, I don't know who else does.

Also, the way people have been making Pinkie Pie break the 4th Wall isn't even funny, at all. It's flat-out obnoxious. And this obnoxiousness is taken even further when they insist that it actually happens in the show ALL THE TIME, when it's never even happened ONCE.

I also never sent you a link relating to Pertwee Pony. I sent you a link to an earlier page, showing you why such a reaction was going on. There's no fourth wall being broken, there's legitimately someone watching.

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May 6th, 2012, 6:42 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I actually have seen quite a lot of "Pinkie Pie breaks the fourth wall" comics that are pretty funny. You just need to know where to look.

It should be noted that there has been at least one instance where a character on FiM broke the 4th wall. In Bridle Gossip, Spike is coming up with nicknames for the "cursed" mane 6. When he gets to Twilight: "Twilight... I got nothing. (looks at the camera) 'Twilight Sparkle?' I can't even work with that, seriously." But you are correct when you say that Pinkie Pie has never broken the 4th wall on the show itself. Still, I doubt anyone will actually listen to you on this matter. Let the fans have their fanon, I always say. As long as they don't turn the characters into the complete opposites of their personality (looking at you, Cupcakes, Rainbow Factory, and all those other grimdark fanfics), I'm okay with whatever craziness the fans come up with. Except for Rule 34. That just makes me shudder.

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May 6th, 2012, 7:08 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Lots of ponies have looked in the direction of the "camera"! It hasn't been exclusive to Pinkie Pie.

Sometimes, the characters might talk to themselves, like when Pinkie Pie was going over "what just happened" after her close encounter with Cranky Doodle, and what she was going to do next. Or, when Fluttershy sang to herself after falling out of Cloudsdale.

In fact, from about 1999-2006, characters tended to talk to themselves a lot, and even explaining/instructing themselves on something in the Sonic series!

@Jarkes: I just explained it. Everyone moves their eyes around and stares into space. Not just Pinkie Pie, not just Spike, not just Sonic the Hedgehog... EVERYONE!

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May 6th, 2012, 7:40 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I DIDN'T SAY THAT PINKIE PIE WAS THE ONLY CHARACTER THAT LOOKS AT THE "CAMERA"! I DIDN'T EVEN SAY MY OPINION ON IF SHE BREAKS THE FORTH WALL OR NOT! I JUST WAS SAYING THAT WHEN ANY OF THE PONY CHARACTERS LOOK IN THE DIRECTION OF THE "CAMERA," LIKE YOUR CHARACTER IS DOING IN PANEL TWO, IT IS ADORABLE TO ME!

NOW LEAVE ME ALONE, LUGBZURG!

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May 6th, 2012, 7:57 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Eh, like I said. As long as it's not grimdark or porn (which I just stay far, far away from) I'm okay with whatever craziness the fanon comes up with. If they like to do artwork/comics/fanfics/whatever where Pinkie breaks the fourth wall or at the very least shows medium awareness, who am I to tell them that they're "wrong" and shouldn't do that? Really, of all the crazy fan things to make fun of, THIS is what you decide on? Why not mock the grimdark or Rule 34 aspects of the fandom? That, at least, I can understand. Here, it just seems like you're overreacting to something completely harmless. It also comes across as you saying that, not only is it "wrong" for people to make stuff about Pinkie breaking the 4th wall, it is also "wrong" for anyone else to enjoy that sort of thing.

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May 6th, 2012, 8:01 pm

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@greenpowerstar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh0Hz20ci6Y

@Jarkes: What I said was that I'm sick of people taking things from the show and using them to do a complete 180 on what it stands for, be they morals, standards, stereotype-breaking, anything, really.

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May 6th, 2012, 8:14 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Having Pinkie Pie break the 4th wall or otherwise show medium awareness does NOT do a complete 180 on what the show stands for. You want "complete 180," try the grimdark and Rule 34 stuff I mentioned. THAT'S a complete 180 on what the show stands for. Pinkie Pie breaking the 4th wall is completely harmless, and, essentially, takes her cartoon physics reality-warping and takes it to its logical conclusion. The only real problem is that some people don't entirely understand what breaking the fourth wall or medium awareness IS, and as such, do it incorrectly in their fanfics or fanart.

Also, I did not explicitly SAY that you said that it's "wrong" for Pinkie to break the fourth wall. I said it comes across as you saying something like that. You implicitly said something to that effect, even though I understand now that's not what you meant.

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May 6th, 2012, 9:52 pm

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@Jarkes: No, no, no. I am well aware that there are plenty of things people do with this that turn a 180 on the show's moral standards. But, there are other aspects where doing a complete 180 just comes off as obnoxious, cliche, and snobbish, rather than vulgar, sexual and flat-out wrong.

This was just one aspect I tackled this week. Later on, I can go for some of the more heavy stuff. This is just what I went after THIS time.

There are plenty of other aspects I despise a whole lot more, but, this whole "Fourth Wall" thing is what the current page is bringing up.

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May 7th, 2012, 9:56 am

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@Lugbzurg: Oh, okay. I think I understand what you mean now.

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May 7th, 2012, 10:33 am

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@Lugbzurg:
I was saying that Pinkie pie can break the fourth wall, while no-one else can. It just makes it funnier in a way.

And you keep going on about how people incorporate it into their own fan comics and writings or whatever. Care to give and/or link to an example?

And the page had pertwee pony on it. I just have an eye for detail sometimes.

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May 7th, 2012, 5:57 pm

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@AuraX: All you have to do is type "Pinkie Pie 4th Wall" into a search engine, and you get seemingly-infinite results.

http://www.123-find.com/?q=Pinkie%20Pie%204th%20Wall&from=1

I'm not sure how something like this could just slip by you.

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May 8th, 2012, 10:25 am

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@Lugbzurg:
And I don't get your beef with it.

From what I saw, it was just lighthearted fun.

Sure, you may not find it funny, nut it's just different tastes and different perceptions of the show. Just get over it.

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May 8th, 2012, 4:22 pm

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@AuraX: It's an inanely-unintelligent cliche used on a show that breaks stereotypes, and people keep insisting it actually happens all the time, when it's never even happens once.

I hate it when I see people constantly using something to a 180 on anything it might stand for.

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May 8th, 2012, 6:08 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I agree with AuraX. You're making too big a deal out of this. Also, as I said earlier, I've seen instances where it's done very well. Not to mention, the writers and other producers don't have a problem with it, although they have tried to point out several times that, no, Pinkie cannot break the 4th wall. But since the writers, animators, and other producers aren't allowed to read the fanfics or look at fanart, it's not going to affect the show in any way, so why make such a big deal over it?

Also, breaking the fourth wall is not just "directly acknowledging that they're in a video game/cartoon/comic/whatever". There are other forms of breaking the fourth wall, including: Looking at the camera IN A WAY that suggests they're looking at the audience (not just directly looking at the camera); making an offhand remark about one of the writers/animators/directors/whoever; and many others. There's also "Leaning on the Fourth Wall," which I don't really have time to explain right now. Look it up on TvTropes; it would probably do a better job explaining than me.

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May 8th, 2012, 7:58 pm

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@Jarkes: 1. Looking in the direction of the camera is not breaking the fourth wall. If it were, then, every anime ever created would be breaking the fourth wall constantly.

2. I'm not making a big deal out of this at all. I was just like "I'm bugged by this. People insists it happens, when it doesn't, and it comes out stupid. Anyway, onto more important matters..."

You and AuraX are the ones getting all up in a tizzy about this. Not me.

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May 8th, 2012, 9:54 pm

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You know, before I went to a wedding last weekend, I was listening to my 3DS, and out of ALL the songs it could choose, it chose "This Day Aria."

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May 8th, 2012, 11:58 pm

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^ TOPIC CHANGE GO GO GO

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May 9th, 2012, 6:22 am

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@lern2surture: Did you know that Call of Duty is making a game this isn't the same old thing for, like, the first time ever?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3tedlWs1XY
I'm really confused, right now.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117057-All-You-Need-to-Know-About-Black-Ops-II

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May 9th, 2012, 6:24 am

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@Lugbzurg:

Okay, fair enough.

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May 9th, 2012, 11:48 am

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@Lugbzurg:
Then stop just looking at Pinkie Pie fourth-wall related stuff.

Simple as that.

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May 9th, 2012, 5:57 pm

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@lern2surture: So, how 'bout that weather?

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May 9th, 2012, 6:15 pm

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Actually, I think we're misunderstanding the "looking at the camera" thing. Just having a character looking in the direction of the camera is not fourth-wall breakage. However, an Aside Glance, where a character briefly and DELIBERATELY glances at the camera for a few seconds IS fourth wall breakage. I already made this distinction earlier, but you continued to stick to the "if looking at the camera was breaking the fourth wall, anime characters would be doing this all the time" argument, except that there ARE cases where a character looking at the camera is meant to suggest that said character is looking at the audience. Mind you, this and the iris out things I mentioned are the closest Pinkie has ever come to actually breaking the fourth wall (for example, she's never actually talked TO the audience or expressed any actual awareness of the show's writers or animators or what have you), but I hope this clears up the whole "looking at the camera" thing.

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May 9th, 2012, 6:32 pm

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On an unrelated note, I have some ideas for an FiM fanfic that has both Shining Armor and Discord as prominent characters. I'm trying to think of ways for Discord to be freed from his prison again, but I also want his breaking out to be connected to Shining Armor somehow (in most of the ideas I have floating around in my head, Discord is manipulating Shining Armor in some fashion), but the only way I can think of doing that is to have the wedding battle create enough chaos for him to escape. Any ideas? I really don't want to screw up...

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May 9th, 2012, 8:19 pm

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@Jarkes: Characters can look in any direction they please. However long they stare in the direction that the "camera" does not contribute to anything.

As for your fanfiction, I've had the thought of the Weeping Angels (Alicorns?) coming to Discord, in order to gain tremendous power, reanimating him. However, he might remain in a stone form, yet, still be able to move. That is... If you're willing to go the Doctor Whooves route. Whatever it is, I'm sure it'll be better than Trixie's Funhouse, which someone had me listening to in an audio form, before I knew what it was. (Seriously, it's stupider than Cupcakes!)

Also, today marks some very significant events. On one hand, I just got some awesome awards from my High School! (Graduation, this month!) On the other... hoof... Nah, "hand". On the other hand, today marks the 20th Anniversary of the First-Person Shooter genre, along with it's first installment, Wolfenstein 3-D!

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May 10th, 2012, 12:12 am

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Dude, I totally aced Wolfenstien 3d, the Commander Keene series, Cosmi, jazz jackrabbit, and Duke Nukem 2d... before sixth or seventh grade. Thanks in part to a parental locked television, a non existant internet, lack of a nintendo or sega, and absolutely no parental supervision, I can honestly say I was the first, if not only, kid on my block to achieve such an ungodly accomplishment. it was really too bad no one else knew what I was talking about.

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May 10th, 2012, 6:17 am

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@GabrielsThoughts: Whoa... That's weird. For a minute, there, you sounded really informal!

Anyway, I have heard a lot of people saying that they played Duke Nukem 3-D when they were a kid, along with the famed cult classic platformer, Conker's Bad Fur Day, because, their parents saw the orange squirrel (holding a can of beer, standing next to a female squirrel wearing very little, surrounded by the "M" logo and "Adversary: This game is not for anyone under 17!"), and thought it was a kids game!

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May 10th, 2012, 9:28 am

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@Lugbzurg: "Trixie's Funhouse?" Man, I don't want to know, do I? I wasn't going to go the Doctor Whooves route (though he might make a cameo), but I was trying to think of what would've happened to Shining Armor while Discord was reigning over Equestria. I would presume the effects of his reign wouldn't be limited to Ponyville...

...Wait, Wolfenstein 3-D was the first ever FPS? Huh, I didn't know that. I thought Doom was the first... Also, what genre were the Wolfenstein games before 3-D?

As for Conker's Bad Fur Day... actually, I've never played that game. I was actually one of the rare students at my elementary school to actively AVOID M-rated games by choice. Heck, with the exception of Smash Bros. Melee, I actively avoided most T-rated games until I was about 12 or 13. Come to think of it, I still don't play a whole lot of M-rated games...

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May 10th, 2012, 10:27 am

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@Jarkes:
I want to know.
Lug, what's this Trixie's funhouse thing all about?

Also, recently got and finished Sonic Heroes. Oh, I loved that game. Why do people hate it so much?

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May 10th, 2012, 10:36 am

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@AuraX: I like that game, too, but there are a few issues. Chief among them being that the four teams go through the same levels and bosses with minimal changes, despite the fact that it, you know, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Additionally, Metal Sonic's final form, Metal Overlord, is... well, kind of anticlimactic. It's ridiculously easy to charge up the Team Blasts needed to beat him.

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May 10th, 2012, 1:25 pm

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@Jarkes:
Well, since I liked the levels, I didn't mind the replay-ability much. And it's a Sonic game, I'll leave sense to the comic adaptions.

Have to agree, though, Metal Sonic's final form kind of... well... I'll say this, it's not as anti-climatic as a lizard with a cannon up it's... you get the idea here. Thouhg I would have liked it better if Metal Overlord wasn't a giant clusterf*ck, and looked more like an actual dragon. But then again, it is kind of supposed to be "Hey, what if Metal Sonic transformed into a Perfect Chaos-like creature?" so it's kind of understandable. It gets off better because Metal Sonic is the best character in the whole series.

And if you say any different then you're WRONG. jk.

And I didn't find it too easy to charge up Team Blasts. Course, this all relies on your skill. And since I hadn't even played the Adventure games, I didn't have too much experience with this gameplay style. (I mostly get the handheld games, and my only real 3D game is Sonic Colours. Played the Unleashed demo once, and I played Sonic 06 at my friend's so we could laugh at how bad it was.)

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May 10th, 2012, 3:26 pm

Lugbzurg

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@Jarkes: Trixie's funhouse is a rather stupid fanfiction where Trixie takes the crusaders to her house, rapes them, and then murders them, one-by-one. That's it. I can't believe I'm saying this, but, at least Cupcakes had some sort of theme going on here. Trixie's Funhouse was just... and empty husk. Some of the things Sweetie Belle did were kind of funny, but, that was it.

As for Wolfenstein 3-D, it actually WAS the first game. This isn't like Duke Nukem 3-D, which already had two other installments prior.

"Conker's Bad Fur Day"... "RARE students"... *chuckle*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cWGFBBRnk
If I recall correctly, the first M-rated game I ever played was Left 4 Dead 2.

@AuraX: Trixie rapes the crusaders and kills them. That's it. Nothing special, nothing to stand out, no gimmick, no personality, no originality. Not to mention, everypony was completely out-of-character.

Sonic Heroes was the first videogame I actually purchased. I like it a lot, too. It's got a really retro atmosphere, and it's gobs of fun to play!

@Jarkes: I find it odd that people hate Sonic Heroes for this, but, have no problem with it happening in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

@AuraX: Actually, I think that the FinalHazard was the best final boss in the entire franchise. It worked out so well. It didn't come out of nowhere, yet, was completely unexpected. (Though, it is hinted at TWICE in the Dark Story, on a computer screen and the newspaper that Rouge shows Shadow.) Nothing could have prevented it from coming, with the way everything was set into motion. What was happening, why, how, who was responsible... It was incredible. And the way that it was starting to impact the human population... This Last Story was incredible.

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May 10th, 2012, 5:18 pm

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@Lugbzurg:

Oh, god, I hadn't even realized I had made that pun.

As for the Biolizard/FinalHazard... The really weird thing is, in the Gamecube version (which is the only version I've played, incidentally; same deal with the original Adventure), the bit on the computer screen is replaced with the blinking "Danger" signal from the end of the Dark story, and I think (again, only played the Gamecube version) a screen showing the Master Emerald shards on the ARK was replaced with the screen showing Sonic, Tails, and Amy standing around on the ARK from another later cutscene. Thus making Rouge's dialogue during the scene completely nonsensical. And the newspaper was still shown in a later cutscene, which made less sense because of the bizarre visual change. I actually had to look it up on Sonic Retro for clarification.

Speaking of Sonic Retro, though they clarified this, I think there were a couple things they may have been wrong about in regards to the differences. Specifically, for Rouge's second stage, Egg Quarters, it claims that the green flashes that indicated that the laser drone thing was nearby were removed. Thing is though, the screen still gained a slightly green tint whenever the drone was in the same room as you. Additionally, Sonic Retro claims that in the Gamecube version, the Hero characters and the Dark characters have separate live counters, meaning that the three Hero characters have their own life counter and the Dark characters have another. This is not true either. They both share a single life counter. Then again, Sonic Retro IS a wiki, but you'd think they would've noticed the mistakes by now... Since it seems you have played the Dreamcast version, can you possibly clarify about the flashing green lights?

Also... good god, the Biolizard boss battle was a PAIN, especially the last hit. FinalHazard wasn't exactly easy, but it was considerably easier than Biolizard.

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May 10th, 2012, 6:22 pm

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@Jarkes: Ahh, yes... The number of changes between each version of those games is ridiculous. I remember hearing that Nintendo wanted some green Xs from the DreamCast version replaced with red Xs, because, it looked like it was promoting the X-Box, or something, but... I still see green-colored Xs in the GameCube version.

In that Dark Ending, I remember one version said "Warning" and the other one said "Danger". I forget which said which. I haven't actually finished the GameCube version (trying to get all A-rankings before starting the Last Story), and I haven't even touched a DreamCast, let alone played the original version of Sonic Adventure 2.

I do remember that one particular A-Ranking in the GameCube version was made easier to get than its DreamCast counterpart, White Jungle is supposed to have some special rain effects in the DreamCast version. It was dropped from the GameCube version, because, it wasn't powerful enough to process all of this stuff.

At least, in the GameCube remake, they remembered to fox all references to the controller. They certainly didn't do so for the PC versions of Sonic Heroes and Sonic Riders. Not to mention that both of them still bring up the Rumble Feature, and Sonic Riders didn't even get an "Exit" button (which is why I prefer to play it in windowed mode). But, Sonic Generations...? Good grief... Look at the control-configuration for that game on PC (Steam)!

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May 10th, 2012, 7:19 pm

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The green X's on the small, grabbable boxes from the Crazy Gadget stage WERE changed to red X's... but the green X's on the WALLS were not. And it was actually rain in the Gamecube version of Whtie Jungle. In the Dreamcast version, it was apparently purple spores... for some reason. Also, you won't be able to get all A-Ranks UNTIL you do the Last Story, since it has an extra level that has the same types of 5 missions.

...And all this talk about these games is making me REALLY regret getting rid of my copies of the Gamecube versions... though admittedly, in the case of Adventure DX, the disc was actually scratched to the point that it would frequently give me an error message while in the middle of playing. I still have Sonic Heroes though.

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May 10th, 2012, 8:15 pm

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@Jarkes: So, THOSE were the Xs that got their color changed. All I could remember were those big, light-up Xs in Final Rush/Chase that would show up at the end of grind rails! Red meant you would die at the end, while, green meant you could jump off and pull a stunt.

I pretty much lost all access to Lego: Island X-Treme Stunts, which was a really good Lego game. Electronic Arts had (still has?) this policy to have you type in a long serial number on the back of the case/box of a game, before you could install it. Unfortunately, some time after I bought it as a kid, my mom threw the box away. Now, due to the change in computer systems, the disk is completely useless, without its box.

So, while the Adventure titles got countless changes in their remakes, I think pretty much the opposite might be true between Half-Life and Half-Life: Source. I have both of them. From what I can tell, the only three differences are that Source has better graphics, uses the Source engine (hence the subtitle), and includes this "Decay" Co-Op mode. (Though, it might only be in the PS2 version, as I can't seem to find it in my own PC/Steam copy.) Maybe, there are more multiplayer maps. I'm not certain. I haven't actually started on the original version, just yet, so, I don't know all of this for certain, just yet.

Along with the two versions of Half-Life, I've also got two copies of Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut, Sonic 3-D Blast (Saturn version ported to PC, I believe), my emulated Sonic Genesis titles, along with the Sonic Mega Collection Plus and Sonic & Knuckles Collection, on top of two copies of Frogger (1997). Oh, and PC copies as well as N64 ROMs of both Toy Story 2 and Lego Racers (PC versions are superior, though), along with a PC copy and GameBoy Advance ROM of Zapper: One Wicked Cricket! I don't think I realized until now how many extra copies of certain games I own, until now. And I'm pretty sure there are still more of them. If it counts, I bought an extra copy of the Roller Coaster Tycoon: Expansion 2-Pack (includes Corkscrew Follies and Loopy Landscapes), since the first one vanished, and hasn't shown up, since.

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May 11th, 2012, 7:58 am

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@Lugbzurg:
I don't really mind the way Biolizard came in. I like the set-up for it, it was done really well, I'll agree with you on that.

It's just... when you're hitting tumors on a giant lizard... it doesn't exactly give you that feeling of "epic".

Apart from Live and Learn, of course. That helped make it more epic, but you know. I'm not sure what they should put there instead, but I just don't think it seemed epic enough.

@Jarkes
I'm sure you can get copies of the game relatively cheap on Ebay, depending on which country you're in.

@Lug
Oh my...

oh Artahka. Oh, ARTAHKA! Why do people write that stuff?!?!?

The sad thing is, I know another fanfic almost exactly like that... ever heard of "Sweet Apple Massacre"? It's basically how you've described Trixie's Funhouse, except replacing Trixie with Big Mac... why do people write this.

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May 11th, 2012, 3:22 pm

Lugbzurg

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@AuraX: I actually found that the boils rather made sense. It doesn't need much of an explanation. See, the BioLizard used a life-support system, attached to his back (powered by the Chaos Emeralds, think...). Once the Chaos Emeralds all came in, he was taken out of suspended animation. Once Knuckles shut down the emeralds, his standard life-support was gone. So, he used what he still had to attach to the only other power-source he could: The entire Space Colony ARK! It still looks really weird, but it makes sense.

See, one of the things I really liked about the stories in the older games is how they used a lot of implications, rather than spelling out every little detail for you, hoping you don't miss anything. Implications make for great story-telling. This was also a method used for telling the stories in Half-Life and Portal.
(Most notably, the Ratman's rooms displaying "The Cake is a Lie" in Portal.)

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May 11th, 2012, 4:31 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Wait, how does attaching himself to the Space Colony ARK lead to giant boils appearing over his body that end up being his weak point? Everything you said actually does make perfect sense, except in regards to what it has to do with the boils.

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May 11th, 2012, 6:01 pm

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@Jarkes: It's because, while the colony was more than capable of keeping him charged up, it wasn't a proper substitute for a life-support system. So, his body started to deteriorate, due to insufficient support.

He didn't really need much, anyway. He was on a suicide mission to create the ultimate kamikaze attack, after all.

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May 11th, 2012, 7:54 pm

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I didn't like the Biolizard he was so nonthreatening.

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May 11th, 2012, 10:07 pm

Lugbzurg

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Guys, I can't promise the next page of Serendipity will come up at the usual time of 9:00 AM. My flash drive has stopped functioning.

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May 11th, 2012, 10:31 pm

greenpowerstar

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@Lugbzurg: I understand. My computer isn't functioning, so I can't update any comics I'm on.

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May 12th, 2012, 6:53 am

AuraX (Guest)

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@Lugbzurg:
Not arguing that it doesn't make sense. It sort of does, from what you're saying. Damn, you can somehow make sense of anything in Sonic.

I'm just saying it just doesn't seem epic.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:03 pm

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Hey, Lugbzurg. Funny story. I was at a banquet for band, and I brought my 3DS. I was on my StreetPass Mii Plaza. A friend of mine noticed two Miis and told me they were his brothers. He then walked away, as he was in line to eat. Anyway, when I got to the second Mii that was belonged to his brothers-a yellow Mii wearing a 3DS hat- the Mii greeted me with the greeting "mlp fim ftw". I laughed. My four friends sitting near me (the two brony friends from Disneyworld, plus two other friends) heard me laugh and asked me why I was laughing. I showed them and explained who it was. My two brony friends smiled, the other two looked slightly confused but still happy that we were happy. I sent the person on my 3DS a personal greeting saying "FS is best pony" to see what he'd do and to make one of brony friends happy.

Oh, and one last thing. One of my non-brony friends said he has started watching it to see if he'd like it. :D

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