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May 12th, 2012, 1:05 pm

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Help! I'm being attacked by an evil thing from beyond the stars!

So, as it turns out, Pinkie Pie can lean on my tail... Huh. That's still not surprising. Also, no one had better start making any stupid (inappropriate) jokes about that last panel.

I now have a picture that's all Sci-Fi, but makes a reference to ancient mythology. Who wants a look?
http://lugbzurg.deviantart.com/art/Agent-Xavier-Enemies-Mjollnir-Trooper-301663280

My Little "Pouty Pie" was set up(set) by Waranto, the physics-breaking tail-leaning by Omniferious, the cute little staring-in-your-direction-but-still-not-actually-breaking-the-fourth-wall-in-the-slightest bit was from BlindCaveSalamander, and her curious observance from Geogo. Also, the little derp back there was custom-made by Bednarowski. Everypony here came from DeviantART.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:07 pm

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It's probably just me, but, Pinkie looks slightly creepy in that first panel.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:08 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Well, to be fair, she is completely ripping of Lyra's shtick.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:13 pm

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@Lugbzurg: At least she's not looking in your direction. Lern2surture might've drawn another one of those drawings.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:21 pm

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@greenpowerstar: *ahem*
Please consult with Panel 3.

Though, at least it isn't like the original version of that ONE page... http://talesofserendipity.smackjeeves.com/comics/1333672/rethinking-reality/ Then again, she might draw something out of the 6th Panel, just as soon as she finds out what the character looks like...

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May 12th, 2012, 2:24 pm

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I completely forgot today was Saturday... XD I thought you were updating tomorrow... Now I feel off-schedule... Oh well.

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May 12th, 2012, 2:47 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I meant in the first panel.

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May 12th, 2012, 3:57 pm

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So, anyway, I've been thinking about the lyrics to Crush 40's Sonic the Hedgehog songs, and most of them make perfect sense (it's either the character speaking about themselves or referring to another character), but Live and Learn... well, it's an awesome song, but its lyrics make no freaking sense to me. Lugbzurg, since you seem to make everything in Sonic the Hedgehog make perfect sense, maybe you could decipher the lyrics and figure out just what the heck they mean?

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May 12th, 2012, 4:12 pm

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@TeamSonicPrezREBORN: I might as well have. Yesterday, I came to the realization that my flash drive was malfunctioning. It would only register that it was connected for a split-second. Not nearly enough time to load and extract files from. Today, however, I found that if I inserted it at a specific angle, I could keep it connected. This should do good enough until I can get another (maybe, larger than the current 512MB size limit) flash drive. So... My weekend uploads (Serendipity, Sonic Future and DeviantART updates) got here late, because of this.

@greenpowerstar: Well, she isn't smiling, so, I might be safe. Dang, there are just so many things to take away from this, aren't there?

@clasby333: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJN9omElY1k

@Jarkes: "Hold tight to hope."

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May 12th, 2012, 4:32 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Big... words... head... hurting... *slams head on desk*

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May 12th, 2012, 5:03 pm

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@TeamSonicPrezREBORN: Wow... Didn't realize how many technical terms I was using there. It just comes naturally to me, since I'm really good with computers, and, as such, must be familiar with a whole lot about them.

Also, the flash drive seems to have somehow fixed itself. I don't have to fiddle with it to make it work. No weird angles for me! Now, I'm off to start using Pony Creator for Page 42. It's gonna need a lot of custom-made pony graphics! I mean... come on! We now have TWO characters designed here in the Pony Creator, not counting the background ponies I made (that were mostly terrible), alongside Midnight and Sprinkle Rise's cameos.

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May 12th, 2012, 5:11 pm

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@Lugbzurg: I'm good with computers too, but if somepony uses too many terms at once my head gets overwhelmed.

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May 12th, 2012, 5:32 pm

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DARK NINJA PONY IS GO

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May 12th, 2012, 5:33 pm

greenpowerstar

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@Lugbzurg: Lugbzurg x Pinkie?
XD

@TeamSonicPrezREBORN: His flash drive broke.

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May 12th, 2012, 5:39 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Thank you.

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May 12th, 2012, 6:09 pm

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@TeamSonicPrezREBORN: But, it's fixed, now! Even though (to my certain knowledge) nopony did anything to fix it!

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May 12th, 2012, 6:26 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Huh, that was a much shorter summary than I was expecting. And, you know what, it actually does make perfect sense now that I think about it (though I'm still not sure what the "hold on to what if" right before the last repeat of the chorus is supposed to mean).

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May 12th, 2012, 6:26 pm

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@Lugbzurg: My flash drive got completely sabotaged when my brother tried to dig in a sandbox with it. Darn 4 year olds are such a pain.

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May 12th, 2012, 6:52 pm

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@Lugbzurg: O.o

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May 12th, 2012, 9:02 pm

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When I read the story about the woman claiming to own the sun, I thought, "Silly woman, Celestia owns the sun."

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May 12th, 2012, 9:14 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Escapist Magazine... Those are the same guys that Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation works for, right?

...That guy bugs me. I mean, I know he's a comedian, and most of his highly negative reviews aren't meant to be taken seriously (something which many of the people who comment on his videos fail to realize, deciding that his views are the absolute truth and because of this, they can never truly enjoy a game again, which is really sad), but it would it kill him to mention just a LITTLE bit of positive things about whatever he's reviewing? I mean, even the Nostalgia Critic, the Angry Video Game Nerd, and all the other That Guy with the Glasses reviewers started doing that eventually, even if the reviews are still mostly negative (with good reason).

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May 12th, 2012, 9:44 pm

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May 12th, 2012, 10:02 pm

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RayWilliamJohnson...?

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May 12th, 2012, 10:41 pm

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@greenpowerstar: SomecallmeJohnny...?

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May 12th, 2012, 10:53 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Wiiviewer...?

This is fun!

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May 13th, 2012, 5:03 am

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Nice art. And I wonder who that pony is.

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May 13th, 2012, 11:46 am

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@Lugbzurg: True, but some of his fans don't seem to realize that he does say some positive things about certain games. That, and he almost never says anything good about Nintendo stuff, but that's pretty much inevitable at this point. Still, some of the letters he got over his Smash Bros. Brawl review were a little ridiculous. And when he reviewed Ocarina of Time 3D, I think he pretty much said that he's sure people like the game, but remaking an old game isn't necessarily going to bring in new gamers. Which is arguably true, much like when he said in his Skyward Sword review that Zelda fans "see no wrong in the series". Which was proven when Zelda Dungeon posted something about his review, and the comments section was full of people hating on him, calling him a "COD fanboy," among other things (despite the fact that he has shown himself to hate COD as well). Though to be fair, some other commentators were like, "Guys, this is satire, so stop taking it so seriously."

Then again, Zelda Dungeon, while a great source for Zelda game strategy guides, is pretty much a cesspool for the fan dumb, as evidence when they post a link to someone saying ANYTHING even remotely negative about Skyward Sword, though to be fair, one of them, while it was supposed to be satire, was really poorly-done satire. And admittedly, when some people gave legitimate complaints, a lot of people on the site were like, "I agree with this point, but not with this point, and here's why."

I generally just avoid Yahtzee's videos because, while I am well aware that it's supposed to be funny, if I did watch them, it would probably tick me off anyway.

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May 13th, 2012, 3:10 pm

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...are there any pages in this comic which doesn't have a comment section full of negativity? XD

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May 13th, 2012, 3:56 pm

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@AuraX: Almost all of them, actually.

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May 13th, 2012, 4:27 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
oh.

um.

Well that comment fell completely flat on it's face...

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May 13th, 2012, 4:31 pm

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@AuraX: Are you saying I'm negative? I'm not negative! I'M SO POSITIVE, MY POSITIVENESS CAN CHARGE MY 3DS! SO, SHUT UP AND GO AWAY, YOU STUPID JERK! YOU CAN'T EVEN GET AN ACCOUNT ON SMACKJEEVES! BG5HHSHHT5IDR6JH!1!1ÓÎÃŒÔËÍÊßÝÌ[:[`(„‘;/◆◆☆▲●¼¾♀¯•⇒¾•♪³€¢¥¢->!§†¥+¦↑√!

(LOL JK)

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May 13th, 2012, 6:52 pm

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May 13th, 2012, 7:41 pm

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You know, there's one thing about Sonic Generations that bugs me a little: Classic Sonic not talking. The producers told the fans "not to worry" about Classic Sonic talking, because he wouldn't talk, "just like in the Genesis games." Only problem? The reason he didn't talk wasn't because it was some intrinsic character trait, it was because the Genesis couldn't handle extensive talking. Heck, several early games (such as the Japan-only arcade game SegaSonic The Hedgehog and Sonic CD) actually DID have him talking (only a few lines, but still). Having Classic Sonic not talk was pandering to the warped notion that the lack of vocals was an integral part of his personality, in order to please the dumb fans who had that notion. Not to mention, by that logic, Classic Tails and Classic Eggman shouldn't have had any lines either. It completely killed almost all interaction between the two Sonics, because Classic Sonic couldn't speak due to some warped interpretation of his personality.

Not to mention, they didn't even ask Jaleel White if he wanted to reprise his role BECAUSE of this insane idea.

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May 13th, 2012, 9:17 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Eternal chaos comes with chocolate rain, you guys! Chocolate rain!

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May 13th, 2012, 10:42 pm

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That aint good taht aint good at all

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May 14th, 2012, 6:26 am

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@Jarkes: As much as I like Ryan Drummond, I would've loved to have heard Jaleel White voicing Classic Sonic!

@greenpowerstar: Just yesterday, I was on a thread at the Escapist, where someone was asking about if DC might try to counter Marvel's Avengers film with a Justice League film. Then, someone said it could never happen, because, they've only got "Superman, Batman... Who else is there?" Too this, I sent them a link to the Justice League: Unlimited intro. But, not before I ran into this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxC2NjOSXeE
When Friendship is Magic goes off the air, I would love to see a G4.5 follow-up series targeted specifically with the brony audience in mind! Making it, like, rated TV-PG or something! Please, make it happen, Hasbro... sometime!

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May 14th, 2012, 7:32 am

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hey hey you guys look at this and read the group info
http://pppproject.deviantart.com/

bronies are such horrible beings sometimes ):

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May 14th, 2012, 8:34 am

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inb4 this unintentionally starts another debate

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May 14th, 2012, 2:24 pm

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@lern2surture:
Wh... wh... wh... wh...

WHAT

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May 14th, 2012, 3:49 pm

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@Lugbzurg: And that involved chocolate rain, how...?

Anyway, I don't know if Jaleel White would be able to voice act for Sonic after 20 years.

Also, it's doubtful they'll make a G4.5. Considering that the last time they did a .5 spinoff it was torture, and as much as we think otherwise, Friendship is Magic is still a girl kids' show.

@lern2surture: ...The heck?

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May 14th, 2012, 3:55 pm

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@lern2surture: Um... wow. Just... wow. Words fail me. Clopfics are bad enough, but wondering, with complete seriousness, where pony genitalia is located? I don't even... Excuse me for a minute... *walks away from the computer, screams towards the sky, bangs head against a pillow, and comes back to the computer* There we go.

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May 14th, 2012, 7:01 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Well, he IS going to reprise his role in the upcoming fan film. It's made by the same guy who made that Mega Man fan film a while back (I forgot his name, though...). Considering it's, well, a fan film, I'm surprised the guy actually managed to get him on board.

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May 14th, 2012, 7:53 pm

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@lern2surture: Wait... SERIOUSLY!?

Well, it's nice to know you're actually bothered by something like this. (More respect for you.) See, people? THIS is why there are still so many people who immediately accuse so many FiM fans of "knocking off to horses", and why they accuse so many people's enjoyment of the series to be sex-based. I'm also rather ticked about the whole "plot" thing. Here, they're trying to act all serious, on their high horses, and whatnot. And, then, they use "plot" to mean "pony butt". I'm really sick of the way people are taking countless ordinary words and churning out sexual double-meanings for them.

@greenpowerstar: So, it would automatically be bad because of... a number? Sorry, but, that logic doesn't exactly work.

Also, take a look at Transformers, right now. They've got two shows airing simultaneously. Prime and Rescue Bots. As is obvious by the titles, they are intended for completely different audiences and age groups. Frankly, I don't see why they couldn't do the same thing with My Little Pony. In fact, I'm almost certain why they decided to make Transformers: Rescue Bots in the first place.

@Jarkes: I was just telling Talking Doughnut about this. I've gotta look for that Mega Man film, as well. Not to mention, some ROM of the unreasonably-unreleased Mega Man Legends 3 floating around, somewhere.

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May 14th, 2012, 8:41 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Oh, god, you mentioned Mega Man Legends 3... Prepare for a rant... I'd rant about it, but frankly, I've ranted about it enough elsewhere, so I'll let someone else do the honors. I will say this, though: It is PAINFULLY, PAINFULLY clear that Capcom did this to get back at Inafune-san for leaving. Then they go and post on their site that they cancelled the project because not enough people submitted stuff, and it certainly has nothing to do with Inafune leaving the company. BULL. CRAP.

...Wait, I just ranted after saying I wasn't going to rant. Whoops.

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May 14th, 2012, 8:57 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Okay, the number thing makes sense. But, if they did make a spin-off for the bronies, then any of the little girls that watched FiM probably wouldn't like it, and more whiny moms would attack the show.

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May 14th, 2012, 9:15 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Moms whining about their kids watching a show NOT made for them? Moms whining about their little kids watching a show rated TV-PG?

This would be just like the idiocy where parents got all horrified about all the T-rated content in the Star Wars games they were buying their 5-year-old kids. Plus, I don't think there are a lot of Transformers fans that like both Prime and Rescue Bots.

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May 14th, 2012, 10:16 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Hey, they've already whined about Derpy. A show targeting older audiences would just upset them more.

And stop bringing up Transformers. It's irrelevant to my argument, and I could care less about its fanbase.

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May 14th, 2012, 11:00 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
i actually get bothered by a lot of things in this fandom
contrary to popular belief really

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May 15th, 2012, 1:54 pm

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@lern2surture:
Including?


Also, going back to the thing about "Would have been good if Jaleel White voiced classic sonic in generations", it got me thinking. Wouldn't it also be awesome if the guy who voiced Robotnik in AoStH voiced Classic Eggman? Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against Mike Pollock, he's my favourite Eggman voice actor. But those two voices alongside each other, with he banter they had... by Chaos, that would have been epic.

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May 15th, 2012, 3:30 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Parents shouldn't be so infuriated at what's in a show that their kids are watching, when ITS NOT EVEN MEANT FOR KIDS. Also, I should bring up Transformers. It is the MOST relevant topic that matches up to this.

@lern2surture: So, that's why we're seeing things like a pony made out of blueberry-flavored slime jelly being eaten by Pinkie Pie, but, not necessarily anything disturbing. That one was rather amusing.
http://he4rtofcourage.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4j8kke
That's the one I'm talking about, since I might've just gotten you all curious.

@AuraX: You mean, like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oipA8_fw0ko
Unfortunately, Jim Cummings, the guy who voiced him in SatAM, however, is dead. Same with Deem Bristow, who voiced him from 1999-2004. I don't know about the AoStH voice, though.

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May 15th, 2012, 3:39 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Um, no. Jim Cummings is still alive. Long John Baldry, who voiced Robotnik in AoStH, however, IS dead.

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May 15th, 2012, 3:54 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Again, as much as wish it wasn't, Friendship is Magic is a show for little girls. It's not likely that they'd completely forget about that just to make another group of people happy.

Neither of my arguments mentioned having both shows on at the same time is a problem. The only problem I can think of if they had both shows on at the same time is it would take longer to make episodes, and that can be easily fixed or ignored.

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May 15th, 2012, 6:55 pm

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@greenpowerstar:
True, but the only real spin-off of a show that is intended for older viewers would be Torchwood, and that took on an entirely new setting, with an almost entirely new cast bar Jack. You wouldn't even know it was in the same universe. Funny thing is, parents didn't seem to complain too much about kids watching that. Attention usually seems to be diverted towards video games. "My 8-year old kid watches slasher movies? Oh, that's all right. WHAT!?!? HE'S PLAYING COD?!?! Right, he is really out of line this time!". That little thing there seems to be the common, idiotic attitude shared my many parents across the globe.

But anyways, back to the topic at hand. Considering MLP's setting, and the reason why MOST bronies/pegasisters like it, there is a possibility. heck, it could even be a bit like Doctor Who, were it would be fine for kids to watch, but there are much deeper and complicated plots that little kids wouldn't be able to understand fully, but still enjoy. And like how Doctor Who has been getting lately, maybe a few subtle nods towards... older stuff.

Perhaps that is the balance that a spin-off of MLP would require. Though I have heard rumours about Faust at one point wanting a CMC spin-off for even younger girls... though maybe that's just my memory playing up.

@Jarkes
Oh, sod.

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May 15th, 2012, 7:56 pm

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@Jarkes: Huh. That's odd. I was talking to a friend of mine about the Army Men series. Arguably, the main character is Sargent Hawke, and he was voiced by Jim Cummings. My friend told me that he was dead.

@greenpowerstar: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a show for little girls? Um... No. It's not. Have you been reading anything the developers (namely, Lauren Faust) have been saying?

Along with what I mentioned about the two Transformers shows, and Torchwood, like AuraX mentioned, I can name two more examples like this. One is Sonic. More specifically, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM). They both aired at the same time, but were built for different audiences, with different styles, genres, themes, settings, and atmospheres. And they were just airing at the same time! I'm talking a Generation 4.5 series, here! The other is Conker. Conker got his start in Diddy Kong Racing and Conker's Twelve Tales back in the late 90s. They were games designed for kids. However, in 2001, we got the game that put him on the map. It was none other than the famous cult-classic, Conker's Bad Fur Day for the Nintendo 64. And this outing was not kids' stuff. In fact, it was rated "M for Mature".

Considering all this, I see absolutely no reason why Hasbro wouldn't authorize a more mature MLP series, and every reason why they would!

"You're dead if you aim only for kids.
Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."

-Walt Disney

This this exactly what Lauren Faust and her team have been focusing on. And Hasbro has been seeing it. Not to mention that they're actually trying to find ways to cater to the "brony" audience, as it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM-j1S4Ppr8

@AuraX: Yes, she actually did mention that. Yet, I get the feeling that there would still be older audiences watching it.

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May 15th, 2012, 9:29 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Fine, then. Be that way.

But, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

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May 15th, 2012, 9:41 pm

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@lern2surture:
Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I needed a good laugh, thanks.

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May 16th, 2012, 8:12 am

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@Lugbzurg: Actually, Conker's Twelve Tales was never made. Conker's Pocket Tales, however, was. The lack of success of that game, however, is what caused Twelve Tales to be cancelled and heavily retooled into the crazy, M-rated shenanigans we now know and love.

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May 16th, 2012, 9:06 am

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@Lugbzurg:
Honestly, as long as it's restricted to a spin-off and not the main series, I'm fine with it taking a darker tone.

Just as long as it's not as drastic as that shadow game.

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May 16th, 2012, 3:21 pm

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@Jarkes: Right. Pocket Tales. That's what I meant to say. But, even that had NOTHING to do with why they made an M-rated game.

@AuraX: You're saying Shadow the Hedgehog was the one with the darker tone? Um. No. The Adventure titles and Next-Gen had a darker tone than Shadow did, actually. Especially, Sonic Adventure 2.

But anyway...

GUYS! I JUST MET A LEGEND!!!

I just participated in an interview with none other than JOHN RUSSO! The creator of the original Night of the Living Dead, along with his partner, Russ Streiner! This was the grandfather of zombie films! In other words, I just got to have a conversation with film-making professionals who spawned an entire genre in the media!

This was way before the time of Left 4 Dead, Dead Rising, and Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare! (And zombie ponies!) This was back when the zombie genre got its start, before zombies became an overused joke! Back when the stuff was really good! I asked Mr. Russo about how he considered about modern zombies, being all infected, rather than dead, and being fast and loud. He did seem rather annoyed with the way they've turned out today, in popular culture, but, he wasn't too critical about it. It's all about context. We're so used to zombies being associated with decay and the apocalyptic, that this stuff tends to happen, right off the bat, without any sort of context! Also, the whole "infected" thing kind of comes off as weird. You can make the infected crystalic, fungal, scaly, whatever. But, is there really any need to make them look like zombies, when they act nothing like zombies?

The both of them also got to see some of my acting in a live-action video reminiscent of Dragon Ball Z. I feel somewhat accomplished. They were hearing some very good things about me and my talents (from someone OTHER than myself, I assure you), so, I was definitely noticed very much by these guys. It's never too early to get yourself some good connections! This could be a very awesome turning point for me!

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May 16th, 2012, 4:36 pm

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yeah i can't wait to see your name on a video game's credits

but really that's great news
i wish you luck in whatever it is you're doing <3

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May 16th, 2012, 4:44 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Man, I wish that would happen to me. Of course, I'm 13 and you're 18, so I have a while.

I have many ideas for my YouTube channel, yet because I don't have a good camera, I can't make any of them. Not only that, I've had that channel for almost a year now, and yet I haven't posted one video. T_T

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May 16th, 2012, 5:16 pm

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@Lugbzurg:

Oh, cool. Now I want to see this live-action video of yours.

On an unrelated note, was anyone besides me disappointed with Ocarina of Time 3D? Apart from the Boss Challenge, the inclusion of mirror-flipped, double-damage Master Quest, the Sheikah Stones that give you gameplay video tips, and a few other tweaks, it's otherwise the exact same game we played 13-14 years ago. I mean, it's still a great game, but it can hardly be called a remake. It's more of a polished port. Wouldn't it have been awesome if they had added a new, super-tough bonus dungeon with a new, super-tough boss at the end of it, with some new, super-powerful item gained at the end of it? Seriously, that would've been awesome! Instead, GREZZO pretty much just ported the game, added a few tweaks, souped up the graphics, slapped 3D effects onto it (seriously, the game barely takes advantage of the 3DS's capabilities), and called it a remake. You have to do more than enhance the graphics before you can call it a remake. Then again, Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary did the exact same thing: souping up the graphics, but not updating the gameplay at all, despite the fact that Halo gameplay has changed significantly since the original.

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May 16th, 2012, 7:22 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
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what.

I'm sorry, but the shadow game was the darkest tone the Sonic series has ever had. Just because the other games you mentioned have better and more complex stories, doesn't mean they're darker. It just gives another reason as to why Shth was so bad.

No other game featured alien invasions, military, actual guns, swearing, implications of killing sonic and eggman... the whole game was just trying so hard to be dark and edgy. And it succeeded, in a way, because it is the darkest tone the series has ever had. There is not one single scene which you could call happy or light-hearted, (apart from maybe one scene with the chaotix) which the adventure games, and even next-gen had. Those games did have dark tones, yes, but they also had a good balance between dark tones, and happy and light-hearted tones. Though this could be sad less for next-Gen, even it got that right to some extent.

Sonic Adventure 2 is the darkest a Sonic game should ever get. And it was fantastic, it got almost every bit of the story right, despite a few minor plotholes. Unlike Shadow, it didn't take itself seriously, and it didn't try to hard.

Just remember, there is a reason that the shadow game is rated e10. Heck, SEGA actually had to tone it down a bit because they wanted that rating.

There's also a reason why people thought it was an April Fools Joke when it was revealed.

Course, you haven't said too much on the matter, so I would like to hear what you thought was darker about Adventure, Adventure 2 and 06 than Shadow.


On the other side, about the part that took up the bulk of your comment, congratulations! I'm happy for you, man.

@Jarkes
Eh, not sure if I can comment, considering I first played OoT as the 3D version.

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May 16th, 2012, 7:55 pm

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@Jarkes: I wasn't too disappointed with OoT 3D. I do agree with you though. It isn't a remake, it is just a port.

The Master Quest was on the Gamecube port, so that's reused, and I thought the boss challenge was in an earlier release, too. The Sheikah Stone should've been in the original. In the original, if you were stuck, you were almost helpless. There weren't many game guides, and the game didn't help much. But, now on the 3DS, it's pointless because instead of figuring out the cryptic Sheikah clues, you can just hit the HOME button, look at a guide, then continue were you left off.

And, for me, the only time the 3D was effective was first-person view. Otherwise, it was usually unhelpful and distracting.

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May 16th, 2012, 8:33 pm

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@lern2surture: I think I'm going to use my full name with "Lugbzurg" in the middle, much like 'Miles "Tails" Prower'. I've got concept art online, in you recall.
http://lugbzurg.deviantart.com/

@greenpowerstar: Hey, I've been building ideas for Koro since I was 13, and I'm still plowing through! It's changed so much. So much more than anything else I've made. And It's my favorite out of everything I've ever created! Good thing it's an original work that I completely own all the rights to!

@Jarkes: I dunno... That would kind of reveal my name, face, and location to the the entire planet. And, then, I'd have to start taking all those annoying flame-happy little snots to the face. I'm not ready to go that public, just yet.

On your game's note, to be fair, it is called "Ocarina of Time 3-D", and not "Ocarina of Time: The Ultimate Remake!" So, I'd say you got a whole lot more in there than you actually needed. Plus, that's plenty more than what you get in most remakes, after all.

@AuraX: Eggman was a whole lot goofier in Shadow, Sonic kept popping all kinds of crazy one-liners, there were a lot of cartoon objects, aliens invading isn't really any darker than robots invading, the military were in all three of these other games, and nearly every Sonic game has had guns in it. I just don't get why (around) 99% of the Sonic fanbase just likes to ignore this.

Also, no one even died in Shadow. In both Adventure titles AND Next-Gen there were characters who died. In Sonic Adventure 2, the entire planet was almost completely destroyed in the ultimate kamikaze attack, which was being displayed very well (even Gerald seemed pretty heavy about it), Shadow planted a bomb that, apparently, killed everyone on Prison Island. Also, Black Doom only ever succeeded in making the White House (almost) explode. What did Eggman blow up? Half of the Moon! Not to mention that there was the uberflood that occurred in Station Square at the end of Sonic Adventure. What's this about Shadow being the dedgyark one?

@greenpowerstar: Eternal chaos comes with chocolate rain, you guys! Chocolate... Rain!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oggEFjAJeXo

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May 17th, 2012, 12:57 am

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@Lugbzurg: I've also been playing WarioWare D.I.Y. recently. I get a lot of ideas for games and songs that I create in D.I.Y.

Oddly enough, I haven't had many good comic ideas...

Anyway, yesterday something ironic happened. The only one of my best friends that doesn't like MLP caused me to make three references to it, yet none of my brony friends did. (One came close, though. I was trying to speak with him, but he was speaking to my other brony friends about a different topic. So when I try to get his attention, he yells "SCOOTALOO IS A CHICKEN." I was going to reply, "And Fluttershy's a tree. Your point?", but he left before I could.)

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May 17th, 2012, 5:49 am

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@greenpowerstar: Hold on. Was the one you believed wasn't a brony the guy who yelled "Scootaloo is a Chicken"?

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May 17th, 2012, 6:26 am

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@Lugbzurg: No, it was a brony friend. But, when my friend that didn't like MLP asked me why my other friend said that, before I answered him, I said, "Scootaloo! Scoot-scootaloo!"

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May 17th, 2012, 9:16 am

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@Lugbzurg:

What's "Koro"?

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May 17th, 2012, 9:58 am

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@Lugbzurg:
Depending on the path you take, the eclipse cannon also destroyed all of westopolis.

Plus, the games you mentioned never actually showed people dieing. Sure, it was hinted towards, but you never actually see it happen. Whereas in Shadow, just about every enemy is living. And you kill them. No knocking out or whatever, you just kill them in cold blood. Heck, one mission asks you to kill the president. Which you can succeed at. And then there's the fact that you can also kill Eggman and Sonic, of all people, and the fact that in one of the endings where Shadow thinks he's an android, he basically talks of a world where androids and robots will rule, and it's alluded that each living being will either be killed or ruled over. In fact, the more I think about it, the more that's sounding like the setting in the Terminator movies.

My point on swearing still stands.

On the subject of guns, I meant real, actual guns were only in Shadow. The sort of guns used in other games are more laser-type, and mostly used by robots, which is more cartoony and not really mature, unlike the guns in Shadow's game.

In the adventure games, even when everything got all dark and hopeless, there was still reassurance that everything's ok, or going to be ok. In other words, optimism. None of that in Shadow at all.

When did Eggman act goofy in Shadow? I think I missed that.

One more thing. There are so many allusions to hell. Whether in swearing, in the vocal theme songs, the final bosses name... it does get a bit too much. Talking of vocal theme songs, they were all pretty dark as well. Seriously, just listen to "Almost Dead". It's ridiculously dark, and you never got stuff like that in the adventure games.

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May 17th, 2012, 11:27 am

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@AuraX: Swearing doesn't automatically equal "darker." And you have a few good points, but I think the point Lugbzurg is trying to make is that Shadow the Hedgehog is so "dark" and "edgy" that it becomes ridiculous, whereas the adventure games (especially 2) were dark, but had enough lightheartedness to keep it from being bogged down by its own "darkness".

As for Eggman being goofy... well, he's not exactly goofy, but he is his typically hammy self. Also, while Eggman's death is implied in a few of Shadow's endings, Sonic's death is never stated or implied. Sure, Sonic is seen falling to the ground at Shadow's feet in the intro cinematic, but this never happens in game.

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May 17th, 2012, 2:17 pm

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@Jarkes:
That's what I'm trying to say.

That Shadow was darker, but tried to hard to appeal to teenage boys and made itself pretty darn ridiculous as a result. I was also making the point that the adventure games had a good balance of light-heartedness and darker tones.

Right, that's most sonic things debated about now. Lug, we've got 3 more to debate about, take your pick.
-Shipping
-Recolours
-Which is better out of Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles

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May 17th, 2012, 3:45 pm

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@greenpowerstar: Dumb fabric...

@Jarkes: That would be... this guy.
http://lugbzurg.deviantart.com/gallery/33586919#/d4lk90u

@AuraX: ALL of Westopolis? That isn't what I saw. Unless, the city is smaller than a square mile. Chaos did much more damage. And you so totally do see people dying in the games I've mentioned. Especially, Next-Gen. You SEE Sonic get killed. You SEE Blaze get killed. You SEE The Duke get killed. You see Eggman's ship with him and Elise go and crash, which would've had a big explosion, if they hadn't rushed it so much. In Sonic Adventure 2, we would've seen Shadow die, as they had planned to, if they hadn't brought him back about a couple of years later. And, in Sonic Adventure you see Chaos kill Pachacamac. In Shadow, the only things you can kill are the black arms, and, if it counts, the robots. The GUN soldiers are incapable of dying in that game. They just fall over on their backs and wait for you to heal them. They can't be killed by the player, because, that would be considered "too dark".

"Swearing" does not make something dark, by the way. Look at Conker's Bad Fur Day. Would you call that dark? No. Is it full of swearing and tons of other mature content? Yes, it is. Compare that with Epic Mickey. It's pretty dark. But, there's no swearing to be heard.

So, Shadow didn't leave any hint that things were going to be ok? That's odd to hear, considering the fact that it leaves just as much implication as any other title in the series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOzguwscHEg

"You know what they say; the more, the merrier!" Doctor Eggman did some pretty weird stuff, like building an evil slot machine. Somehow, that doesn't come off as dark. His actions in Sonic Adventure 2 were a lot more heavy.

And if making allusions to "Hell" is considered mature, then, Sonic Generations must be the bleakest one of all, because, it makes allusions to a LOT of places.

Adventure songs got dark, too. "It's useless to resist. Your efforts will be wasted."

@Jarkes: Sonic Adventure 2 was, undoubtedly, darker than Shadow the Hedgehog. Its darkness wasn't as frequent Shadow's, as it had other elements of genre in there, as well. But, it's darkness was still much heavier.

@AuraX: On the topic of Shadow the Hedgehog, wanna see some nifty beta cutscenes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJwrBgKX6V4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-fVQALbvzY

-I can't stand shipping.
-I'd say that I'm done with recolors.
-I've found Sonic 3 & Knuckles to be a lot more enjoyable.

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May 17th, 2012, 5:03 pm

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@Lugbzurg: The othertwo references I made with him were from Discord and Scootaloo.

When that friend was asking me why one of my brony friends yelled "Scootaloo is a chicken," he said "some pony" instead of "Scootaloo." So, a teacher gave him a weird look. When he told me, I said, in a teacher-like voice, "Boys talking about ponies? Why, it doesn't make sense!" Then I switched to a (terrible) John de Lancie impression and said, "But, of course, what fun is that? Making sense?"

Then later, I asked him, "What does 'swag' mean?" He went on this long explanation on what "swag" meant, and when he was finished, I said, "What are you, a dictionary?"

Also:
- I can't stand shipping either (it's ironic because my sister ships characters constantly)
- As soon as I get a working, computer, I am going to change my character to not be a recolor (Which shall be difficult, because he's a Luma)
- Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my favorite to play alone. With a friend, Sonic 2.

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May 17th, 2012, 5:17 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
-Fair enough
-Fair enough
-I like S3&K better too, brohoof /)

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May 17th, 2012, 5:51 pm

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@Lugbzurg: Actually, I don't remember actually seeing Pachacamac get killed by Chaos. But it has been a while since I played the game.

Not to mention, in regards to Westopolis, a later cutscene says that most of the city was evacuated. It does say that there were "heavy casualties," but you don't actually see any. And apparently, all of Central City was evacuated right before the Eclipse Cannon hit.

As for S3&K... the funny thing is, I've never beaten either half of it or the complete game. The farthest I've gotten on the full version is Ice Cap Zone. I've also been trying to get the Chaos and Super Emeralds... not going so well... I'm at Ice Cap Zone, and only have 2 Chaos Emeralds. And I keep failing the Blue Sphere Special Stages, which means I can't use those Giant Rings again. I was HOPING to get all 7 before reaching Mushroom Hill (since that's the earliest you can activate the Super Emerald Special Stages), but it looks like that's not happening unless I start over again. (I have Sonic Mega Collection on the Gamecube, btw)

...Come to think of it, I've never beaten ANY of the Genesis Sonic games. In each game (which the exception of the "3" half of S3&K), I can never get past the second Zone (Marble in 1, Chemical Plant in 2). Doesn't help that those two games don't have a save feature, and on the Gamecube version of Mega Collection, you can't create a suspend point/savestate/whatever of any sort. I can only ever see any of the zones past that if I use the level select codes. Lugbzurg, did you ever beat any of the Genesis games with all the Emeralds (Both Chaos and Super in 3&K's case)?

Funny thing is, I used to HAVE a Genesis, with a copy of Sonic and Knuckles (but not any of the others), but I didn't get seriously into video games until I got an N64 for Christmas one year. Maybe that's why I'm not particularly good at the Genesis Sonic games... The small D-Pad on the Gamecube controller probably doesn't help things either.

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May 17th, 2012, 6:46 pm

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@Jarkes: I had a N64 when I was little, but if it wasn't for SSBB, Lugbzurg, and the Wiiviewer I wouldn't be interested in video games, which means I wouldn't know any of my best friends at school.

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May 17th, 2012, 7:07 pm

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@greenpowerstar: While writing various papers in high school, I would somewhat often write "somepony" and other such things in them. Nopony ever said anything about it.

@AuraX: Well, it's bigger, more fleshed-out and has more features. Though, a lot of people really like Sonic 2 more for it's more... elegant atmosphere, or something like that. Not to mention how so many Sonic after that which used special stages kept re-using Sonic 2's special stage concept.

@Jarkes: I've beaten all three of them multiple times. However, I never finished Sonic 3-D Blast. (I left off at the final boss a few years ago, and just sort of forgot about it.) You don't have to worry about starting over in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. After you complete the game, you'll get a level select that will allow you to replay past stages. And, if you need an even better save system (particularly for the first two games), you could always try using an emulator. I recommend Gens Plus!
http://www.coolrom.com/emulators/genesis/73/Gens_Plus!.php
http://www.coolrom.com/roms/genesis/
(Make sure that if you grab Sonic 3 & Knuckles, you nab the one that actually says "Sonic and Knuckles & Sonic 3" and not "Sonic the Hedgehog 3" or "Sonic & Knuckles".)

@greenpowerstar: I peaked your interest in... VIDEOGAMES...!? Err... Ok... Coincidentally, I was actually thinking about my Top 10 N64 games.
Here's what I came up with. (One per franchise)

#10. Super Smash Bros.
#9. Bomberman 64
#8. Mario Kart 64
#7. 007: The World is Not Enough
#6. Diddy Kong Racing
#5. Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2
#4. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
#3. Donkey Kong 64
#2. Conker's Bad Fur Day
#1. Banjo-Kazooie

You can get back into the good old Nintendo 64 days with all of these games and countless more through an emulator called "Project 64".
http://www.coolrom.com/emulators/n64/21/Project64.php
http://www.coolrom.com/roms/n64

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May 17th, 2012, 7:32 pm

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@Lugbzurg: True, but that won't allow me to re-access the Special Stages, since once you use one of the Giant Rings, they won't reappear, whether you got the Emerald or not.

So which is harder, the Giant Eggman Robo (Sonic's final boss in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, not counting the Doomsday Zone) or Super Mecha Sonic (Knuckles's final boss)? I've heard that the GER's giant frickin laser beam attack is really hard to dodge (you have to be at the very peak of your jump, if I read correctly).

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May 17th, 2012, 7:43 pm

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@Lugbzurg: The only way I'd say "somepony" to someone is as an April Fools' Day joke on my non-brony friend.

And, yes, you peaked my interest in video games. You inspired me a lot and showed me a lot of stuff that if I not known about them I would be a lonely, depressing person instead of a friendly, positive person.

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May 17th, 2012, 8:39 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
...Will you not complete my brohoof? :(

@Jarkes
I reccommend Sonic Classic Collection for the DS. It's how I first played the genesis games, actually. It contains Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Knuckles in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles. It adds a save feature for all of them (Apart from Sonic 3 and S3&K, for obvious reasons), which lets you start off from the last act you were at. This can be very useful for restarting at the last act you were at when you get a game over with no continues, but I abused the heck out of it to get all the chaos emeralds in Sonic 1. And it's sometimes fun to just go straight to the last boss in 1 and 2.

@greenpowerstar
And people say video games only turn people violent and horrible.

Which makes no sense to me, because people are fine with their kids watching violent movies, but not video games...

ah, I'm just rambling now.

Point is...

...


Did I have a point?

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May 17th, 2012, 9:37 pm

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@AuraX: It's funny, all those whiny people keep saying video games influence violence, yet I never curse and only attack in self-defense.

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May 18th, 2012, 6:06 am

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@Jarkes: Yes, it will. It totally will. I should know. I've played Sonic 3 & Knuckles for years, and it totally lets you do that.

As for those final bosses, I think Super Mecha Sonic is harder. For Sonic's boss, you've just gotta jump at the right moment, and with plenty of time to react. For Knuckles', however, you have NO warning, and have to be so precise. And, it doesn't help that Knuckles can't jump nearly as high and has nothing to climb.

@greenpowerstar: I've said it, before, and only ever gotten strange looks or gotten ignored, when it comes to people who don't know what I'm talking about.

Also... YEAH! VIDEOGAMES ARE MAKIN' US AWESOME!!!

@AuraX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyuDw_-N8V0
Yes, I am sick of these people going on about how videogames are destroying us and isolate us and what-have-you. When I see them, I just bring up films, books, and live plays, and they just might cower in a corner, and think about what they've been doing with their life.

@greenpowerstar: Problem is, many people honestly believe that all videogames are just... this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAzdMjP39eg
Yet, will completely ignore you if you show them something like.. this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4siZQkSR7GY

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May 18th, 2012, 7:17 am

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@Lugbzurg:
I personally find the doomsday boss the hardest of the 3 (4, if we count big arms) final bosses, and honestly the most irritating. I much prefer the other ones, I really find them the most fun.

Oh, and with Tails, if you have enough time and rings left, it is hilarious to go into his last boss as Super Tails. You just completely destroy it with ease. It is so fun to do, I cannot express in words. I say Tails because it's much more fun with his flicky army of death.

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May 18th, 2012, 8:59 am

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@Lugbzurg: So... let's propose the hypothetical scenario. Let's say I get all seven Chaos Emeralds, but I only get... 4 Super Emeralds before reaching the Giant Eggman Robo. Beating the boss would allow me to go back to earlier levels (most likely the Sonic and Knuckles levels, or Sonic 3 levels if I didn't even get all of the Chaos Emeralds), collect the remaining 3 Super Emeralds, beat Giant Eggman Robo again, and then reach the Doomsday Zone. However, I wouldn't be able to re-enter the Giant Special Stage Rings until after beating the game once. Is that correct?

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May 18th, 2012, 9:29 am

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@Jarkes:
You only need the seven chaos emeralds to get to the Doomsday zone. If you have any super emeralds it won't affect the outcome, unless you have all seven in which you just become hyper and you can get the best ending.

Once you complete the game, regardless of any emeralds collected, you can go back to any stage in the game, and the Giant Rings you've used will be there again, but you won't lose any of your emeralds.

However, you can only get the Super emeralds from the Mushroom Hill, Flying Battery, Sandopolis and Lava Reef zones.

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May 18th, 2012, 3:13 pm

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@AuraX: Ah, I see. But suppose I didn't get all 7 Chaos Emeralds before reaching Mushroom Hill, and I went into one of the Giant Rings there. Would the emeralds I have turn into the deactivated Super Emeralds, or would I need to collect the remaining Chaos Emeralds first before that happens?

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May 18th, 2012, 3:16 pm

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@AuraX: "Flicky army of death"
...Super Gaming Bros...?

@Jarkes: Yes. This is true. After you've cleared The Doomsday Zone, you can replay any levels you'd like. After you get all of the SUPER Emeralds, any time you grab a Super Ring, you'll get 50 Chaos Rings. (That's... "regular rings".)

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May 18th, 2012, 5:05 pm

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@Lugbzurg:
It originally came from SGB?

Huh.

Never knew that. I just call it the "Flicky army of death" because it's the most accurate description.

But I like The Great Clement's let's plays better.

@Jarkes
Well, there is that one special ring in Mushroom Hill. The one that Knuckles pathetically tries to hide from Sonic and Tails, and the one that Knuckles just runs into right at the start. That one always leads to the Super Emerald chamber, where any chaos emeralds you have are turned into deactivated super emeralds, no matter how many you have. You actually have a chance to turn one of them into a Super Emerald there, but every other special ring afterwards leads to a normal chaos emerald stage until you get all of them. Then, after you have all the Chaos Emeralds collected, the giant rings lead to the Super Emerald stages instead. I hope I explained it clearly enough.

I know all this because i was bored and tested it out. Was pretty fun seeing what happened.

Incidentally, I might as well add to Lug's statement. You can replay and stages after death egg zone if you haven't collected all chaos/super emeralds, and if you collected all chaos emeralds before Mushroom hill, the giant rings turn into 50 rings as well. The super emerald stages only start at Mushroom Hill.

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February 16th, 2013, 7:46 am

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HA!! I KNEW IT!! YOUR TAIL REALLY IS MADE OF CRYSTAL!! *innocent smiley face* ...Just sayin'. That's always what it looked like to me. X3

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